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Mara's avatar

Thank you for the post.

It doesn't help that vaccinated individuals were being counted as unvaccinated when they died or got sick.

Another potential approach.

If the treatment of a large group results in an overall improvement, or a tragic loss of life, then it should be possible to identify through a comparison to relevant historical data for the group.

In your example, if the two groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated were joined back together, eliminating the collider bias, and compared with the general performance beforehand, then it would be possible to see the downward trend in health.

A recent example of this is the increase in all cause mortality which coincided with the rollouts.

Raw death numbers are hard to sweep under the rug.

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Messenger17's avatar

Indeed, Mara. These considerations can be regarded as the flip side, in which population wide statistics can be more representative of the effect of a widepread phenomenon, in absence of confounding factors.

miscategorization of vaccinated individuals as "unvaccinated" prior to some point at which the vaccine is regarded as to having an effect is outright fraudulent. This has been described as the "foxhole effect", in which the ccomparative safety of a foxhole nearer to the enemy lines is compared to that of remaining in a trench, disregarding the risk of running through "no man's land" to get to the foxhole!

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Mara's avatar

That's a good name.

Not only are people who don't reach the foxhole disregarded, but the ones who die during the charge are counted as trench deaths.

So all the risk of charging is falsely attributed to staying in the trench.

But I didn't just mean the 2 week delay, I've heard that the hospitals were also registering sick people as "unknown" when they used a hospital that didn't directly vaccinate them.

Allowing them to classify them as unvaccinated, and that's how they achieved their "pandemic of the unvaccinated" where they were supposedly filling up hospital beds.

This impacted the death figures and is one of the reasons why deaths in the unvaccinated rose precipitously at the same time the jabs came out. The people getting sick from it, contracting covid and dying in hospital were filling in the wrong statistic.

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